Return-Path: XPUM04@prime-a.central-services.umist.ac.uk Received: from G.SEI.CMU.EDU by ubu.cert.sei.cmu.edu (5.61/2.3) id AA21522; Thu, 7 Jun 90 15:19:39 -0400 Received: from SEI.CMU.EDU by g.sei.cmu.edu (5.61/2.5) id AA15171; Thu, 7 Jun 90 15:19:38 -0400 Received: from nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by sei.cmu.edu (5.61/2.3) id AA08706; Thu, 7 Jun 90 15:19:27 -0400 Received: from sun.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by vax.NSFnet-Relay.AC.UK via Janet with NIFTP id aa20498; 7 Jun 90 17:26 BST From: Anthony Appleyard To: DAVIDF@cs.heriot-watt.ac.uk Date: Thu, 07 Jun 90 15:36:28 BST Message-Id: <$TGVGDBVHFKWH at UMPA> Subject: Virus-L vol 0 issue #0726 Virus-L Digest Tue, 26 Jul 88, Volume 0 : Issue #0726 Today's Topics request for opinions on future... request for opinions on future... request for opinions on future... Rom Bios Virus List RE: request for opinions on future... summertime virii Re: request for opinions on future... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jul 88 09:59:23 EDT Reply-To: Virus Discussion List Sender: Virus Discussion List From: "Kenneth R. van Wyk" Subject: request for opinions on future... Greetings all, As the virus world seems to have quieted down (at least here in the Academic community) over the summer, I'm interested to hear what people think will happen in the Fall and subsequent semesters as far as viruses are concerned. Do you think that all the publicity has enticed some would be wrong doers into working on some super duper virus over the summer, only to be released upon their return to college? Or is this too cynical an outlook? Have we seen the end of viruses? Perhaps all of the potential virus writers have decided to change their ways? A lot of people who I've spoken with feel that a lot of virus writing efforts are taking place this summer; I hope that they're wrong. Opinions? Ken Kenneth R. van Wyk From the Devil's Dictionary: User Services Senior Consultant Barometer - an ingenious device Lehigh University Computing Center designed to inform the user what Internet: the weather is. BITNET: -------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Jul 88 12:18:44 EDT Reply-To: Virus Discussion List Sender: Virus Discussion List From: David.Slonosky@QUEENSU.CA Subject: request for opinions on future... In-Reply-To: Believing all would-be virus writers have changed their ways is optimism indeed. I just hope that someone is writing a super virus buster this summer at the same time. Does anyone think this forum has helped/hindered the cause of anti-viral warfare, or has it done nothing? Personally, I'm a LOT smarter for having participated in this. Not that I was that smart to begin with... (8*-) -------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Jul 88 18:11:00 -0500 Reply-To: Virus Discussion List Sender: Virus Discussion List Comments: converted from NETDATA format at UOFMCC From: Steve Morrison Subject: request for opinions on future... In-Reply-To: <270*b1morri@ccu.UManitoba.CA> The scenario could be a mad-hacker, plugging away at a keyboard in the back of a dimly lit office, creating a virus like no virus ever seen before. Viruses are going to be like methods of cheating at cards or on your spouse. The analogy would be having mice evolve into a bigger species to defeat mouse traps - unless the traps are built bigger, the mice will win. Thoughts from someone who was out in sun today.... Devo_Stevo aka Stephen D. Morrison B1Morri@CCU.UManitoba.CA -------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Jul 88 19:24:31 EDT Reply-To: Virus Discussion List Sender: Virus Discussion List From: David.Slonosky@QUEENSU.CA Subject: Rom Bios In-Reply-To: >Basically, Bios contains the routines that run all of your PC's I/O >devices, including the Monitor, and Disk Drives... >DOS also supplies functions that do many of the same things. So why is there this apparently redundant duplication of services in the IBM PC world? Is this the case with other operating systems as well? This seems to make (as has been pointed out before by others) DOS a really leaky way of running a safe computing environment. Mind you, how could the developers know that people would conceive of viruses? -------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Jul 88 11:16:00 PDT Reply-To: Virus Discussion List Sender: Virus Discussion List From: youndts@GTEWD.ARPA Subject: Virus List I'm a system programmer at a sight that supports probably 200 Macintoshes of all types. Is there a list of programs, both comercial and public domain, that are known to contain viruses. By the way, I'm new to my job and the idea of worying about viruses, so if this a dumb question, please answer it anyway. Thanks, Stephen M. Youndt -- youndts@gtewd.arpa "Hacker at Large" -------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Jul 88 12:39:00 PDT Reply-To: Virus Discussion List Sender: Virus Discussion List From: youndts@GTEWD.ARPA Subject: RE: request for opinions on future... One things for sure, open discussion has made virus writers either give it up or become much more clever. Let's hope the next generation of information-immunologists are up to the task of combating the new viruses. Stephen M. Youndt "Hacker at Large" (Not the bad type of Hacker) -------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Jul 88 12:01:00 EDT Reply-To: Virus Discussion List Sender: Virus Discussion List From: "Shawn V. Hernan" Subject: summertime virii >As the virus world seems to have quieted down (at least here in the >Academic community) over the summer, I'm interested to hear what people >think will happen in the Fall and subsequent semesters as far as viruses >are concerned. Do you think that all the publicity has enticed some >would be wrong doers into working on some super duper virus over the >summer, only to be released upon their return to college? Or is this >too cynical an outlook? Have we seen the end of viruses? Perhaps all >of the potential virus writers have decided to change their ways? A >lot of people who I've spoken with feel that a lot of virus writing >efforts are taking place this summer; I hope that they're wrong. >Opinions? >Ken __________________________________________________________________________ Speaking from the students point of view, I believe that if there are virus writers working over the summer, they are not students. Several years ago, this may have been the case. However, given the publicity that viruses have received, it has become almost taboo among college students (at least the sample I know). I believe college students in general lack sufficient motivation to spend time writing a virus. There isn't any target (like a government or rival corporation) as is the case with a small number of virii. Also, there is a limited access to computers during summer for many students. I believe if virii are being written, it is not by students, but by the more educated (less responsible?) "adult" hackers with too much time on their hands. Shawn Hernan, University of Pittsburgh -------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Jul 88 15:34:47 CDT Reply-To: Virus Discussion List Sender: Virus Discussion List From: Len Levine Subject: Re: request for opinions on future... In-Reply-To: Message from "VIRUS-L@LEHIIBM1.BitNet" of Jul 26, 88 at 12:18 (noon) >Believing all would-be virus writers have changed their ways is optimism >indeed. I just hope that someone is writing a super virus buster this summer >at the same time. Does anyone think this forum has helped/hindered the cause >of anti-viral warfare, or has it done nothing? Personally, I'm a LOT >smarter for having participated in this. Not that I was that smart to >begin with... (8*-) I will be submitting a memo to the faculty here at UWM telling them how to prepare for the inevitable virus attack. I would like to post it here tomorrow for suggestions and for you all to steal and use if you would. + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | Leonard P. Levine e-mail len@evax.milw.wisc.edu | | Professor, Computer Science Office (414) 229-5170 | | University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Home (414) 962-4719 | | Milwaukee, WI 53201 U. S. A. 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Rom Bios Virus List RE: request for opinions on future... summertime virii Re: request for opinions on future... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jul 88 09:59:23 EDT Reply-To: Virus Discussion List Sender: Virus Discussion List From: "Kenneth R. van Wyk" Subject: request for opinions on future... Greetings all, As the virus world seems to have quieted down (at least here in the Academic community) over the summer, I'm interested to hear what people think will happen in the Fall and subsequent semesters as far as viruses are concerned. Do you think that all the publicity has enticed some would be wrong doers into working on some super duper virus over the summer, only to be released upon their return to college? Or is this too cynical an outlook? Have we seen the end of viruses? Perhaps all of the potential virus writers have decided to change their ways? A lot of people who I've spoken with feel that a lot of virus writing efforts are taking place this summer; I hope that they're wrong. Opinions? Ken Kenneth R. van Wyk From the Devil's Dictionary: User Services Senior Consultant Barometer - an ingenious device Lehigh University Computing Center designed to inform the user what Internet: the weather is. BITNET: -------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Jul 88 12:18:44 EDT Reply-To: Virus Discussion List Sender: Virus Discussion List From: David.Slonosky@QUEENSU.CA Subject: request for opinions on future... In-Reply-To: Believing all would-be virus writers have changed their ways is optimism indeed. I just hope that someone is writing a super virus buster this summer at the same time. Does anyone think this forum has helped/hindered the cause of anti-viral warfare, or has it done nothing? Personally, I'm a LOT smarter for having participated in this. Not that I was that smart to begin with... (8*-) -------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Jul 88 18:11:00 -0500 Reply-To: Virus Discussion List Sender: Virus Discussion List Comments: converted from NETDATA format at UOFMCC From: Steve Morrison Subject: request for opinions on future... In-Reply-To: <270*b1morri@ccu.UManitoba.CA> The scenario could be a mad-hacker, plugging away at a keyboard in the back of a dimly lit office, creating a virus like no virus ever seen before. Viruses are going to be like methods of cheating at cards or on your spouse. The analogy would be having mice evolve into a bigger species to defeat mouse traps - unless the traps are built bigger, the mice will win. Thoughts from someone who was out in sun today.... Devo_Stevo aka Stephen D. Morrison B1Morri@CCU.UManitoba.CA -------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Jul 88 19:24:31 EDT Reply-To: Virus Discussion List Sender: Virus Discussion List From: David.Slonosky@QUEENSU.CA Subject: Rom Bios In-Reply-To: >Basically, Bios contains the routines that run all of your PC's I/O >devices, including the Monitor, and Disk Drives... >DOS also supplies functions that do many of the same things. So why is there this apparently redundant duplication of services in the IBM PC world? Is this the case with other operating systems as well? This seems to make (as has been pointed out before by others) DOS a really leaky way of running a safe computing environment. Mind you, how could the developers know that people would conceive of viruses? -------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Jul 88 11:16:00 PDT Reply-To: Virus Discussion List Sender: Virus Discussion List From: youndts@GTEWD.ARPA Subject: Virus List I'm a system programmer at a sight that supports probably 200 Macintoshes of all types. Is there a list of programs, both comercial and public domain, that are known to contain viruses. By the way, I'm new to my job and the idea of worying about viruses, so if this a dumb question, please answer it anyway. Thanks, Stephen M. Youndt -- youndts@gtewd.arpa "Hacker at Large" -------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Jul 88 12:39:00 PDT Reply-To: Virus Discussion List Sender: Virus Discussion List From: youndts@GTEWD.ARPA Subject: RE: request for opinions on future... One things for sure, open discussion has made virus writers either give it up or become much more clever. Let's hope the next generation of information-immunologists are up to the task of combating the new viruses. Stephen M. Youndt "Hacker at Large" (Not the bad type of Hacker) -------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Jul 88 12:01:00 EDT Reply-To: Virus Discussion List Sender: Virus Discussion List From: "Shawn V. Hernan" Subject: summertime virii >As the virus world seems to have quieted down (at least here in the >Academic community) over the summer, I'm interested to hear what people >think will happen in the Fall and subsequent semesters as far as viruses >are concerned. Do you think that all the publicity has enticed some >would be wrong doers into working on some super duper virus over the >summer, only to be released upon their return to college? Or is this >too cynical an outlook? Have we seen the end of viruses? Perhaps all >of the potential virus writers have decided to change their ways? A >lot of people who I've spoken with feel that a lot of virus writing >efforts are taking place this summer; I hope that they're wrong. >Opinions? >Ken __________________________________________________________________________ Speaking from the students point of view, I believe that if there are virus writers working over the summer, they are not students. Several years ago, this may have been the case. However, given the publicity that viruses have received, it has become almost taboo among college students (at least the sample I know). I believe college students in general lack sufficient motivation to spend time writing a virus. There isn't any target (like a government or rival corporation) as is the case with a small number of virii. Also, there is a limited access to computers during summer for many students. I believe if virii are being written, it is not by students, but by the more educated (less responsible?) "adult" hackers with too much time on their hands. Shawn Hernan, University of Pittsburgh -------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Jul 88 15:34:47 CDT Reply-To: Virus Discussion List Sender: Virus Discussion List From: Len Levine Subject: Re: request for opinions on future... In-Reply-To: Message from "VIRUS-L@LEHIIBM1.BitNet" of Jul 26, 88 at 12:18 (noon) >Believing all would-be virus writers have changed their ways is optimism >indeed. I just hope that someone is writing a super virus buster this summer >at the same time. Does anyone think this forum has helped/hindered the cause >of anti-viral warfare, or has it done nothing? Personally, I'm a LOT >smarter for having participated in this. Not that I was that smart to >begin with... (8*-) I will be submitting a memo to the faculty here at UWM telling them how to prepare for the inevitable virus attack. I would like to post it here tomorrow for suggestions and for you all to steal and use if you would. + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | Leonard P. Levine e-mail len@evax.milw.wisc.edu | | Professor, Computer Science Office (414) 229-5170 | | University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Home (414) 962-4719 | | Milwaukee, WI 53201 U. S. A. Modem (414) 962-6228 | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + -------------------- *** end of Virus-L issue ***